The Leopards are free!

Mark Leonard, Camille Grand, Gustav Gressel, Jana Puglierin, and Jeremy Shapiro discuss what the Leopard 2 decision means for the war in Ukraine

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On 25 January, after months of deliberation, Germany’s chancellor Olaf Scholz announced he would send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine – and permit other countries to do the same. What led to this turnaround? Mark Leonard is joined by ECFR heavyweights on security and defence policy – Camille Grand, Gustav Gressel, Jana Puglierin, and Jeremy Shapiro – to discuss what this decision means for the war in Ukraine, for German diplomacy, and for transatlantic relations. Will the unity on show at last week’s Ramstein meeting continue in the long term? And what is the future of military aid for Ukraine?  

This podcast was recorded on 25 January 2023. 

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Cover image:
A “Leopard 2” main battle tank takes part in the German army’s training and instruction exercise
Image by picture alliance/dpa | Moritz Frankenberg

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