The US, Europe, and the art of vassalisation

This week, Mark Leonard welcomes Jeremy Shapiro and Jana Puglierin to discuss EU-US relations

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Although European leaders have stepped up in many ways to support Ukraine, the war has also laid bare Europe’s profound dependence on the United States. This reality was at the heart of French president Emmanuel Macron’s recent call for more “strategic autonomy”, which stirred a new debate over the transatlantic power imbalance.

It was also the topic of a new publication, “The Art of Vassalisation”, from ECFR’s research director, Jeremy Shapiro, and senior policy fellow and head of the Berlin office, Jana Puglierin, who join Mark Leonard for this week’s episode. What factors influence “vassalisation”, and is it really more beneficial for the Americans? And how seriously are Europeans taking the risk of a Republican victory in 2024?

This podcast was recorded on 3 April 2023. Please note that we adapted the introduction to Macron’s interview on 9 April, but some views of our experts might be outdated. An in-depth analysis of the current events will soon follow in an extra episode.


Cover image:
Brussels – The US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken (Left) was giving a joint press conference with EU diplomatic chief Josep Borrell (Right) ahead of a US-EU ministerial meeting on energy
Image by picture alliance/dpa/MAXPPP | Nicolas Landemard / Le Pictorium

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