New era, new alliance: NATO, Sweden, and Finland

What can Sweden and Finland offer NATO? And are they worried about the Kremlin’s threats to attack their countries? 

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As Russia shifts the focus of its military offensive to southern and eastern Ukraine, Finland and Sweden are moving closer to NATO membership. In this week’s episode, Mark Leonard speaks to Carl Bildt, former prime minister of Sweden and current ECFR co-chair, and Alexander Stubb, former prime minister of Finland and current ECFR council member. Beyond both countries’ expressions of intent, where do they stand on NATO membership? What can Sweden and Finland offer NATO? And are they worried about the Kremlin’s threats to attack their countries? 

This podcast was recorded on 21 April 2022. 

Further reading: 

Between Russia, Sweden, and NATO: Finland’s defence of “sovereignty equality” by Hanna Ojanen 

How the Russia-Ukraine crisis could change Sweden’s security policy by Mats Engström  

“Whoever shows weakness, will be attacked” by Francesco Collini 


The Unknown Soldier by Väinö Linna

Ravenna: Capital of Empire, Crucible of Europe by Judith Herrin 

The New Age of Empire by Kehinde Andrews 

Cover image:
Finnish F/A-Hornets take off from Rovaniemi Airbase during exercise Trident Juncture 2018, NATO’s largest exercise in many years

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