ECFR's director Mark Leonard checks in with ECFR's Policy Fellows Ulrike Franke and Ellie Geranmayeh after the first day of the Munich Security Conference 2018. They discuss the hot topics so far – European defence, the end of the liberal order and technology – and give an outlook on the more explosive discussions related to the Middle East that will be discussed on Sunday.
The podcast was recorded on Friday, 16 February 2017.