German foreign policy with Christoph Heusgen

Mark Leonard is joined by Christoph Heusgen to talk about Germany’s foreign policy

To load the audio player provided by Soundcloud, click the button below. This means Soundcloud will receive technical data about your device or browser, as well as information about your visit on this page. Soundcloud may use cookies and may transfer your data to servers outside the EU, where the level of data protection may not be equivalent to that in the EU. For more information visit our privacy policy.

Load player


Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s famous Zeitenwende speech aimed to shape a new political narrative for Germany. But, a year into Russia’s war on Ukraine, questions remain about the success of this paradigm shift in Germany’s strategic culture. 

This week, Mark Leonard welcomes Christoph Heusgen, longstanding foreign policy chief during the Merkel years and now chair of the Munich Security Conference. They discuss Western and non-Western reactions to the war in Ukraine – and, in particular, the role of Germany. Should Berlin have taken a harder line against Russia after 2014? How can Scholz realise his vision for the Zeitenwende? And what is stopping Germany from engaging more in developing countries?  

This podcast was recorded on 13 March 2023.  


Cover image:
James Davis, University of St. Gallen, Christoph Heusgen, Federal Republic of Germany

Subscribe to our weekly newsletter

We will store your email address and gather analytics on how you interact with our mailings. You can unsubscribe or opt-out at any time. Find out more in our privacy notice.