The future of Europe-China relations.

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Mark Leonard speaks to François Godement and Abigaël Vasselier from the ECFR Asia & China team to get their reactions to President Macron's recent visit to China. They discuss the relationship between Europe and China more broadly, using the findings from their recent publication “China at the gates: A power audit of EU-China relations”.


François: Red Swan: How Unorthodox Policy-making Facilitated China's Rise, by Sebastien Heilman

Abigaël: The Lady and the Generals, by Peter Popham

Mark: China at the gates: A power audit of EU-China relations by François Godement and Abigaël Vasselier