François Godement, director of ECFR’s Asia & China programme, speaks with Hong Sheng, director of the Unirule Institute of Economics and professor at the Economic Research Institute of Shandong University, and Chenchen Chen, Research Fellow at the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at the Renmin University of China, about the challenges of China's reform of state-owned enterprises. The podcast was recorded on the 30 September 2016 at the sidelines of the European China Forum that took place in Berlin from 28 to 30 September 2016.